Margin collapsing with floated element, why there is an extra margin added?

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Update 2020: the below behavior is no more visible in the recent browsers

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Let\'s start with the following situation:

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Answer 1

Before I start, the issue of scrollbars being rendered in all browsers but Firefox is a separate issue from what is being asked about here. Firefox does not collapse margins between a parent element and its children when the parent's min-height results in the margins not being adjoining. It's also a known spec violation in Firefox that's being worked on and yet to be fixed.

Now, on to the issue at hand. From section 9.5.1 (on floats):

4. A floating box's outer top may not be higher than the top of its containing block. When the float occurs between two collapsing margins, the float is positioned as if it had an otherwise empty anonymous block parent taking part in the flow. The position of such a parent is defined by the rules in the section on margin collapsing.

The last sentence in this quote is awkward, but "the rules" refer (and link) to the definition of collapsing through. While the specific text that you cite from that section is relevant, it doesn't explain why the floats respect the margin of the in-flow div.

This does:

If the top and bottom margins of a box are adjoining, then it is possible for margins to collapse through it. In this case, the position of the element depends on its relationship with the other elements whose margins are being collapsed.

• [...]

• Otherwise, either the element's parent is not taking part in the margin collapsing, or only the parent's bottom margin is involved. The position of the element's top border edge is the same as it would have been if the element had a non-zero bottom border.

Note the last sentence. Having a non-zero bottom border cancels margin collapsing, as you know. This means that the floats are positioned as if the bottom margins of the in-flow div and the body element did not collapse, resulting in the floats appearing to respect the bottom margin of the in-flow div.

How do I tell that the floats specifically respect the bottom margin of the in-flow div and not the collapsed margin? By giving body a larger bottom margin than that of the in-flow div and observing that it does not affect the position of the floats:

html {
  background: red;
}

body {
  margin: 0;
  margin-bottom: 100px;
  min-height: 100vh;
  background-color: green;
}

div {
  min-height: 50px;
  background-color: pink;
  margin-bottom: 50px;
}
.l {
  width:45%;
  height:50px;
  float:left;
  margin:0;
}
.r {
  width:45%;
  height:50px;
  float:right;
  margin:0;
}

<div></div>
<div class="l"></div>
<div class="r"></div>