Unlike a Functor, a Monad can change shape?

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太阳男子 2021-02-18 21:29

I\'ve always enjoyed the following intuitive explanation of a monad\'s power relative to a functor: a monad can change shape; a functor cannot.

For example: length

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  • 2021-02-18 22:09

    This isn't a full answer, but I have a few things to say about your question that don't really fit into a comment.

    Firstly, Monad and Functor are typeclasses; they classify types. So it is odd to say that "a monad can change shape; a functor cannot." I believe what you are trying to talk about is a "Monadic value" or perhaps a "monadic action": a value whose type is m a for some Monad m of kind * -> * and some other type of kind *. I'm not entirely sure what to call Functor f :: f a, I suppose I'd call it a "value in a functor", though that's not the best description of, say, IO String (IO is a functor).

    Secondly, note that all Monads are necessarily Functors (fmap = liftM), so I'd say the difference you observe is between fmap and >>=, or even between f and g, rather than between Monad and Functor.

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  • 2021-02-18 22:10

    Monad's operations can "change the shape" of values to the extent that the >>= function replaces leaf nodes in the "tree" that is the original value with a new substructure derived from the node's value (for a suitably general notion of "tree" - in the list case, the "tree" is associative).

    In your list example what is happening is that each number (leaf) is being replaced by the new list that results when g is applied to that number. The overall structure of the original list still can be seen if you know what you're looking for; the results of g are still there in order, they've just been smashed together so you can't tell where one ends and the next begins unless you already know.

    A more enlightening point of view may be to consider fmap and join instead of >>=. Together with return, either way gives an equivalent definition of a monad. In the fmap/join view, though, what is happening here is more clear. Continuing with your list example, first g is fmapped over the list yielding [[1],[],[3]]. Then that list is joined, which for list is just concat.

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